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Change of plans? (coronavirus)

I guess that's my biggest problem - I don't trust people to do the right thing.
You're not kidding. Here's an article from USA Today. I hope all airlines ban him.

WEST PALM BEACH — JetBlue has banned a passenger who knowingly boarded a flight from New York to Palm Beach after testing positive for coronavirus.

"The health and safety of our customers and crewmembers is our first priority," JetBlue said in a statement sent by spokesperson Derek Dombrowski on Friday. "In reviewing last night’s event, we determined the customer boarded our flight knowing he was awaiting results for a coronavirus test without disclosing it to anyone at JetBlue."

The JetBlue statement continued: "Consistent with CDC guidance, we ask all customers who are not feeling well, who believe they may have coronavirus, or who are awaiting test results to avoid travel until they are cleared by a medical professional. Last night’s event put our crewmembers, customers, and federal and local officials in an unsettling situation that could have easily been avoided, and as such, this customer will not be permitted to fly on JetBlue in the future."

Palm Beach International Airport previously confirmed that a JetBlue plane and a concourse at its airport were scrubbed down Thursday morning after a flight from New York landed Wednesday night carrying a passenger who’d been infected with coronavirus.

“The airport is safe. The airport is clean. There’s no interruption to operations,” airport spokeswoman Lacy Larson told The Palm Beach Post on Thursday morning.

The passenger, whom Larson knew only as an adult, had tested positive for coronavirus before getting on JetBlue 253, a nonstop flight from JFK International Airport, she said.

She said both Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue and officials of the Florida Department of Health for Palm Beach County met the plane when it arrived on time at 8:37 p.m.

County health officials followed all guidelines “for a COVID-19 positive patient,” Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue said overnight.

Larson said JetBlue bypassed its usual gate at Concourse C and went instead to Concourse A, currently used only by Bahamasair.

She said the 109 passengers and a crew of five on the JetBlue flight stayed on the plane for at least two hours before coming off, where they were directly interviewed by Dr. Alina Alonso, the county’s health director.

All passengers, including the one with the illness, were told to quarantine themselves for 14 days, Larson said.

Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue said passengers were told to call the health department if they had any “medical concerns.”

Larson did not know if the ill passenger’s home was in the New York area or South Florida.

Because PBIA is not a connection hub, and because of the late hour of the arrival, it’s unlikely someone on the plane was connecting to another flight that night, Larson said.

Concourse A was shut down Wednesday night and was being “cleaned and sterilized,” Larson said. She said Bahamasair’s first flight is an arrival at mid-morning and, if necessary, it would use a gate at Concourse B.

Larson said the JetBlue aircraft was moved to a parking area off Concourse A. She said JetBlue would handle the cleaning of the plane.

Health officials have counted more than 20 cases of coronavirus in Florida. Wednesday’s case was the second confirmed incident in Palm Beach County, following one authorities discussed Sunday night, although the state health department is not counting either person as a Palm Beach County case, at least not yet.

The person discussed Sunday night came to the county for an event at the Palm Beach County Convention Center. The Pennsylvania Department of Health notified the county that a person from Pennsylvania was at the Biogen pharmaceutical company’s booth at a Feb. 28 conference on multiple sclerosis, County Mayor Dave Kerner said. That person is believed to be in Pennsylvania now.
 
We returned yesterday from Barcelona where we had been for 2 months. We were planning on leaving on March 11, but due to a brief GI virus that hit my husband, we had to reschedule with Delta and depart on March 12. (Many hassles and phone calls with Delta--not major, except the time). But, flying on March 12 was a pain. Apparently Trump's speech freaked the parents of students abroad. We got the airport in Barcelona and had lots of people already there checking in. We arrived at 3:15 for a 6:00 am flight!?! After Trump "shut the borders on Europe" speech parents bought tickets and ordered their children to the airport to fly home! All seats taken on flights to Amsterdam and Minneapolis. Glad to be home. Observations: no panic buying in Barcelona (except hand sanitizer which was not available.) So, no TP or paper towel shortages.
 
For Americans looking at how they'll get home, look at the European Arrival Restrictions about a third of the way down the page, saying that only listed listed U.S. airports can handle arrivals from COVID-affected areas. They don't include Boston, which we usually aim to use.

According to media reports, the new list includes Boston:
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York; Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD), Illinois; San Francisco International Airport (SFO), California; Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA), Washington; Daniel K. Inouye International Airport (HNL), Hawaii; Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), California; Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), Georgia; Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD), Virginia; Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), New Jersey; Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW), Texas; Detroit Metropolitan Airport (DTW), Michigan; Boston Logan International Airport (BOS), Massachusetts; and Miami International Airport (MIA), Florida.
 
You're not kidding. Here's an article from USA Today. I hope all airlines ban him.
WEST PALM BEACH — JetBlue has banned a passenger who knowingly boarded a flight from New York to Palm Beach after testing positive for coronavirus.

There seem to be conflicting reports about this. In a NYT article, it appears that he was informed in mid-flight of the positive results of the virus diagnosis, and was overheard talking about this. Which means that he boarded the flight knowing he might test positive. IAC he came out as an irresponsible citizen.
 
Plus March is too cold and wet. Next year we go in April and just deal with Passover/Easter.

I'd think carefully about that - a vacation during Passover in Israel might make you long for your corona-plagued one! ;)
Next year Passover falls mostly on the last week of March, so you might have some luck. BTW, April can also be somewhat crazy with regards to the weather....
 
With the hysteria surrounding the coronavirus, justified or not, has anyone changed or cancelled plans for travel in 2020?
Well, we were planning on visiting Puglia in late April, but it looks unlikely. We’re still hoping, but in the meantime we have Plan B ready to go. Our flight is to London, so a trip to the UK is the back-up itinerary.
 
The situation in Spain is changing very quickly. We were going to drive home to France tomorrow, but have decided to stay indefinitely till the situation is clearer. It's a 2-day drive and we have our cat with us, making things more complicated if we get stuck somewhere or trapped in a roadblock. There's a lot of anger about "selfish Madrileños" driving to their second homes, potentially bringing the virus with them and overloading local health and other services. The government has declared a state of emergency today. That means travel restrictions could be applied very rapidly.

Here in Almuñecar, virtually all bars and restaurants have closed, and the council has even closed the beach! But it's sunny and we have food, wine, and beer, and a large secluded garden, so we might as well make the best of it.
 
Happy to know that you and Steve are home. I hope you remain healthy!! I'm hopeful (although my hope is waning daily) that I'll be able to go to Bologna Oct. 22nd.
 
Pauline, the only problem with that link is you have to be a subscriber to read it, much like the link Joe posted to a New York Times article. I couldn't read that one either. I realize some articles may be too long, but it would be best to just copy and paste it (unless of course that violates copyright laws).
 
For Paul and others (from the NYT) :


JetBlue Bars Passenger Who Flew With Coronavirus
The passenger, who was flying from New York to Florida, got a notification mid-flight that his test results were positive, the airline said. JetBlue barred the passenger from traveling on the airline again.

“JetBlue had no prior indication that this customer had or may have had coronavirus,” the airline said in a statement.

“JetBlue had no prior indication that this customer had or may have had coronavirus,” the airline said in a statement.Credit...Seth Wenig/Associated Press
Sarah Mervosh
By Sarah Mervosh

A passenger who flew on a JetBlue flight from New York to West Palm Beach, Fla., on Wednesday night learned midair that he had tested positive for the coronavirus, officials said, raising questions about possible widespread exposure.
The passenger, who had previously been tested for the virus and was awaiting results, got a notification toward the end of the flight that the test had come back positive. The person was overheard talking about it, and the flight crew quickly notified health officials on the ground, JetBlue confirmed on Thursday.
“JetBlue had no prior indication that this customer had or may have had coronavirus,” the airline said in a statement.

The flight, which departed from John F. Kennedy International Airport with 114 people on board, landed at Palm Beach International Airport around 8:30 p.m., with medical workers rushing to a call at the airport shortly after, officials said.
Another passenger on board, Scott Rodman, told CNBC that the plane idled on the tarmac for about two hours before health officials told some passengers that a man seated nearby had tested positive for the coronavirus.

“From what we were told, he had been tested for the virus two days ago and got a text message on the plane while he was on the plane,” said Mr. Rodman, who was flying to Florida to visit his parents.
“It’s kind of wild,” he said. “If you’ve gotten tested and you think there might be something wrong, to get on an airplane is crazy.”

By Thursday night, JetBlue had barred the passenger from flying on the airline again.
The airline said in a statement that the passenger had boarded the flight “knowing he was awaiting results for a coronavirus test without disclosing it,” putting employees and officials “in an unsettling situation that could have been easily avoided.”

The passenger, who was not identified, could not be reached for comment. It was unclear whether the passenger had been instructed not to travel.
Health officials had begun an “extensive epidemiological investigation,” the Florida Department of Health said in a statement.

Anyone who had close contact with the passenger was being asked to monitor themselves for symptoms. The passenger who tested positive was in isolation as of Thursday, the department said.

Passengers from that flight came through Palm Beach International Airport in Concourse A, which was shut down for cleaning on Thursday. The airport was otherwise operating normally, a spokeswoman said.
At J.F.K., employees cleaned the gate, security checkpoints, kiosks, restrooms and “and any other area the passenger went through based on security camera footage,” according to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the region’s airports.
 
From the Washington Post

Coronavirus screening causes massive bottlenecks at O’Hare and other U.S. airports

By Mark Guarino, Derek Hawkins, Hannah Knowles and Katherine Shaver
March 15 at 7:01 pm United Kingdom Time

Airports around the country were thrown into chaos Saturday night as workers scrambled to roll out the Trump administration’s hastily arranged health screenings for travelers returning from Europe.


Scores of anxious passengers said they encountered jam-packed terminals, long lines and hours of delays as they waited to be questioned by health authorities at some of the busiest travel hubs in the United States.


The administration announced the “enhanced entry screenings” Friday as part of a suite of travel restrictions and other strategies aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus. Passengers on flights from more than two dozen countries in Europe are being routed through 13 U.S. airports, where workers check their medical histories, examine them for symptoms and instruct them to self-quarantine.


But shortly after taking effect, the measures designed to prevent new infections in the United States created the exact conditions that facilitate the spread of the highly contagious virus, with throngs of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder in bottlenecks that lasted late into the night.


“AT THIS MOMENT, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARRIVING FROM NUMEROUS COUNTRIES ARE JAMMED TOGETHER IN A SINGLE SERPENTINE LINE VAGUELY SAID TO BE ‘FOR SCREENING,’” read a tweet from Tracy Sefl, who wrote that she waited for several hours to be screened at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.
“Authorities are going to have to deal with the ramifications of the breakdown of whatever this system is supposed to be,” she wrote. “Not to mention needless exposure risks from containing thousands of passengers like this.”


As confusion and anxiety spread, the debacle threatened to deepen the coronavirus crisis for the Trump administration, which has struggled to mount a coherent response to the pandemic or convey a consistent message to the public about what the federal government is doing to mitigate the outbreak.


The scenes at the airports — captured in an outpouring of angry social media posts — resembled the botched implementation in early 2017 of President Trump’s travel ban targeting citizens from predominantly Muslim countries, which triggered chaos and protests at U.S. airports as travelers from the Middle East were detained or sent home with almost no warning.

In a tweet posted after midnight — several hours after reports of clogged terminals started circulating — acting homeland security secretary Chad Wolf acknowledged the backup and said the Department of Homeland Security was trying to add screening capacity and help airlines expedite the process.


“I understand this is very stressful,” Wolf said. “In these unprecedented times, we ask for your patience.”

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Sunday that it “recognizes that the wait times experienced yesterday at some locations were unacceptable.”

“With this national emergency, there will unfortunately be times of disruption and increased processing times for travelers,” the statement said.

But lawmakers were sharply critical. Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) called the long lines “unacceptable” in a late-night tweet, saying the backups “need to be addressed immediately.” Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) tweeted of delays stretching up to eight hours, writing, “Admin was unprepared after Presidential ban on travel from Europe." Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) on Sunday wrote a letter to top officials at U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the CDC asking what authorities are doing to “prevent the spread of this dysfunction.”

Mark Morgan, acting commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, acknowledged the frustration over “longer than usual delays” but said in early-Sunday tweets that “in several airports we’re seeing an immediate improvement.”

“We appreciate the patience of the traveling public as we deal with this unprecedented situation,” Morgan wrote. “We’re continuing to balance our efficiencies with ensuring the health and safety of all American citizens through enhanced medical screening. … Nothing is more important than the safety, health and security of our citizens.”

Kowsar, the District resident who rushed home from London, said he was surprised the only question he encountered while passing through customs at Dulles International Airport was, “Do you have any health conditions to declare?”
“I thought they were going to be screening everyone and checking temperatures,” Kowsar said.

He and other passengers from the London flight said they didn’t encounter any longer than usual delays at customs. But a dozen flights from Europe and the United Kingdom are scheduled to arrive at Dulles after 3 p.m., when delays are more likely to occur.

At Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, travelers spent hours in the cramped terminal waiting to fill out questionnaires from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dorothy Lowe of Longview, Tex., said she stood in a customs line from 4 p.m. until after 7 p.m. Saturday after returning from a trip to Mexico.

“We’re all being herded in the same line standing side by side,” Lowe told WFAA-TV. “I’m less concerned about having to stand here for the amount of time that I am and more concerned about where the people are traveling from that are around me and what they may or may not have been exposed to.”

Travelers reported similar problems at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport. “Just waiting in a very long line with thousands of people to clear Customs at JFK T4,” one user wrote on Twitter. “Not sure who’s really taking things seriously.”

As the delays stretched into the night, airports asked passengers to stay calm.
“We ask for your patience as CBP/CDC agents are conducting enhanced screening for passengers, which may cause additional delays,” the DFW Airport said in a statement Saturday night. “These measures are important for the health and safety of all.”

“Thank you for yr patience,” O’Hare tweeted to one person describing a six-hour wait for bags followed by several hours more in “shoulder-to-shoulder crowds.” The airport acknowledged customs was “taking longer than usual” because of the enhanced screenings.

“We’ve strongly encouraged our federal partners to increase staffing to meet demand,” O’Hare said.

The scenes mirrored some of the mayhem in European airports after Trump late last week suspended travel from most of the continent.

The travel restrictions that spurred the new screening measures are set to broaden. The United States will also be banning travel from the United Kingdom and Ireland beginning Monday night at midnight, officials said, bringing the total number of U.S.-travel-restricted countries in Europe to 28.

At Dulles International Airport outside Washington on Sunday, about one-third of travelers emerging from the customs area wore masks or had them strapped around their necks.

Jana Asher, a contractor for the United Nations returning home to western Pennsylvania from South Sudan, said she was surprised that the immigration line for U.S. citizens was longer than the one for noncitizens. She said she was traveling home via Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, as scheduled but had spoken with several other American passengers who had stepped up their flights after Trump announced the restrictions on travelers from Europe.

Asher, a statistics professor at Slippery Rock University in Pennsylvania, said she plans to continue wearing a bandanna over her mouth and nose for the next 14 days to protect others in case she was exposed to the coronavirus during her international travel. One positive note: Because coronavirus is just hitting Africa, hand sanitizer there was still in ample supply, so she brought plenty home.
“I didn’t bring home toilet paper,” she said with a smile, “because it would be impossible to pack.”
 
I'm sliding into a full-blown funk - as if I wasn't already exhausted enough! Last week I wasn't at all worried about our travel plans for Ireland and Italy beginning in August - but now I'm starting to get worried. And there are no reliable statistics to make me feel better or worse because the experts are still learning - and people are still going out to eat and socialize.
 
Yes unfortunately it's going to be a case of watch and see how this awful situation unfolds. My gut feeling is Italy will be through the other side before any other European nation, having been hit hardest earliest. Time will tell though.
 
In Israel, a new app that alerts you if you have crossed paths with a known virus-infected person has already gone into public use, and has other countries becoming interested in it. The app doesn't work retroactively, so the recommendation is that it should be downloaded as soon as possible in order to get the most benefit from it. It does not publish names, and the information is supposedly not collected.
Israel has also authorized - for 30 days - the retroactive tracking of corona patients by the security service, in order to know exactly where they have been and better learn the possible consequences of this. Obviously this has raised concerns about the violation of citizens' privacy, but nonetheless it appears that it will be implemented.
As of today there are 213 known cases in the country (but probably hundreds more), and no deaths yet.

It will be interesting to see how extreme measures like this will play out in contrast to less stringent policies being adopted by countries like the UK and Switzerland. If 90 percent of the infected persons only develop mild symptoms, and the elderly and weak are asked to go into self-quarantine - maybe these less extreme measures could work. Although the examples of China and South Korea have shown that "tough" has been relatively successful...
 
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This info on prior movements of those with positive test results has also been made available in South Korea, with rather too much detail. Although it doesn't include names, the movement (and positive test result) have been sufficient to identify people... and when their movements include checking into a 'day hotel' it can make for very uncomfortable conversations with their spouse.
 

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