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Revising My Itinerary - Advice Please!

artnbarb

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The plan was: about a week in London - train to Bath for 2-3 days - pick up rental car and drive to Cotswolds for one week - take a narrowboat trip (4-7 days), then fly home.

Now I'm realizing that we'll need to keep the rental car for the entire time we're on the narrowboat, and that seems like a waste of money. The obvious answer is to do the boating before we pick up the rental car if possible.

Based on an article written by Pauline, there's a canal (with boats) near Bath, so I'm wondering how far it is from the town, and how easy/difficult it would be to get from Bath to the docks via public transportation? Or do we just have to suck up the days the rental car will sit idle while we're boating?
 
The Kennet and Avon canal starts in Bath. Find the names of some companies and see where they are located. There is good bus service in this area. Or you can take a taxi.

For another canal, you could take the train to it. But I like the Kennet and Avon.
 
I'm getting frustrated - there just seem to be soooo many variables in this trip right now, including the start/end days of a cattage rental, and the start/end days of a boat rental. Altho I know we wnt the cottage for a full week, some start on Fir, others on Sat. For the narrowboat, there are 3, 4. 5 and 7 day rentals........I'm just overwhelmed right now......
 
Isn't this the way it is when planning trips to a new place? I was going crazy earlier this year trying to figure out where to go in Sicily. This year it seems like all I have done is trip planning and trip doing. More of the former of course - I plan two trips for each one that we do.
 
I guess all of my trips start out this way, but I have to admit, this feels more challenging! "The Cotswolds" spans a fairly large area, and it's difficult to search for listings, at least for me. I know Pauline helped me out by recommending several market towns, but finding listings in/near specific towns seems to be difficult - and looking at the map doesn't really help, and, because it's our first time, I really don't have a sense of the area.....

I think we'd be fine with a one bedroom, but I would like something with character, not a new build or council house. Also something with some nice outdoor space - but is that possible if you also want to be IN (or at least within walking distance of) a village?

I noticed one of the properties I was interested in had a spiral staircase to the BR - I don't mind but Art probably won't be crazy about that one. Just one of those 'little' details that make it so difficult to find just the right one!
 
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Yes, the spiral staircase! Also very low ceilings - but really they are fine for a week. Look at the ceiling in relation to the doorway and you can see if it is very low.

The main thing to watch out for is the size of the place. Some are very small. I almost rented one place for a month once and finally after several emails realized it was really tiny, with a narrow enclosed spiral staircase between floors, and low ceilings.

Both the places I recommended - Manor Farm in Broadway and Well Farm near Painswick - are newer builds, not historic buildings. I always looked for historic places too. Unfortunately, of all the places we have stayed, those are the only two I would return to.

I would limit my searching to a few good agencies and the Homeaway site. That is what I usually do. Take your time - you are booking way ahead. Post your short list on the forums and a few of us can look. Chris is very good at seeing what might be a problem in a place. I am good on checking location.

I would do some searching too - but I am getting ready for our Switzerland trip. But, when we are back, I would be happy to make a short list of places that I think might be good.
 
I really do have plenty of time, so I'm not panicked, just overwhelmed! I love the planning part of the trip, and trying to eliminate as many problems as possible in advance. I know that there will always be something we didn't plan for, and sometimes it's something so obvious that I feel really stupid for not thinking about it, but talking thru my plans is how I plan! Just talking with Art the other day made me realize that maybe we should do the boat rental either before or after we picked up the car, and altho I understand cottages tend to be small, I too don't want tiny. Because we definitely want to rent a cottage, that's going to be my first priority. Then I'll know if it's a Fri or Sat start, and then I'll look at the boats - which may or may not happen.

BTW - where in Switzerland?
 
Two weeks in Lenk (in the Bernese Oberland near Gstaad - we have been to this area a few times) and one week in Samoens in the French Alps (we were in Chamonix 20+ years ago, but don't know this area).

I write a detailed itinerary for a trip and then review it with all my booking printouts to make sure I have everything right. We just reviewed ours for Switzerland. Of course, we also reviewed everything for our May trip when it turned out I had booked our St Remy hotel for the wrong night. Now I look at the dates more closely. But that is after everything is booked.

When planning a trip, I put together different scenarios and then we both talk our way through them, imagining what the trip will be like, seeing what we think.

I don't like searching for vacation rentals. Even though I love staying in them, I would rather have someone say "stay here, you will love it". That was why I started SlowTrav - to help me find better vacation rentals. It is one of the reasons that I like traveling with Chris - she finds great vacation rentals! I find it easier to search for a vacation rental when I know the area well, so I know more what to look for.
 
"I don't like searching for vacation rentals. Even though I love staying in them, I would rather have someone say "stay here, you will love it". That was why I started SlowTrav - to help me find better vacation rentals. It is one of the reasons that I like traveling with Chris - she finds great vacation rentals! I find it easier to search for a vacation rental when I know the area well, so I know more what to look for."

Pauline, I think you just described me!
 
Barb, I can recommend this agency Campden Cottages for rentals in the northern Cotswolds. We've rented two properties in Chipping Campden from them. We also rented once in Blockley (directly from an owner... no longer available), which is between Chipping Campden and Moreton-in-Marsh. Blockley is more of a residential village, though there is a village shop/tea room and (I think) two pubs.

Some of the Campden Cottages properties are in smaller villages or hamlets, but I agree with Pauline... I think you'd enjoy staying in a larger village/market town where you could walk to dinner or to a shop.

There are so many options in the Cotswolds. It covers a fairly large area, and I think you'd have lots to do and see wherever you end up. Are there any specific places you really want to visit? That might help you zero in on where you'd prefer to base.

Kathy
 
Thanks for the recommendation, Kathy! I want to visit Warwick Castle specifically, then I want to experience such an intense version of what my dream Cotswold world looks like: thatched roofs and timbers, but also hilly, rocky green hills filled with sheep, or fruits. I want to see the Cotswolds in which a Hobbit might feel very much at home. I want the fairy tale! Tell me what to see and do in one week! What's the "best of the Cotswolds"?
 
The best thatched roofs are in Chipping Campden and Stanton, a village near Broadway. We don't have many in our area. (Actually Devon has the best thatched roofs.)

Green hills filled with sheep is pretty much everywhere in the Cotswolds. :chicken: (What? No sheep smilie??)

Pauline's Best of the Cotswolds
(Kathy please post yours too!)

Market towns - Chipping Campden, Broadway, Stow, Burford
Villages - Stanton, Lower Slaughter, Bibury, Painswick
Gardens - Hidcote (near Chipping Campden)
Woodlands - Standish Woods (near Stroud)
Commons - Minchinhampton Commons (near Stroud)
Prehistoric Sites - Belas Knapp (near Winchcombe)
Roman Sites - Chedworth Roman Villa, Cirencester
Medieval - Hailes Abbey (Cistercian, near Winchcombe), Sudeley Castle (Winchcombe)

Lunch and dinner in a few good pubs.
Afternoon tea in a few good tea rooms.
Daylesford Organic Farmshop near Stow to see how the other half live.

Walking part of the Cotswold Way for a few hours.
 
Barb, there's so much to see and do in the Cotswolds and the surrounding area. I'd also encourage you to have some unstructured time and not have all your time focused on admission-oriented places. Walking is a great way to explore, or just go for a drive on tiny lanes.

Although things are close on the map, the driving can be slow. I'd check times on Google maps and always expect that it will take longer. You never know when you'll get behind a big, slow-moving farm vehicle. And some places do attract tourist buses between 10 am and 3 pm and might be better to visit in the late afternoon or for dinner.

My list is similar to Pauline's, though I don't know the southern Cotswolds all that well. You might get some ideas from the itinerary we have posted for our Cotswold Experience week. This past year we made a couple of changes; we didn't go to the cheese dairy or visit the Slaughters. (I love the Slaughters and there's a pretty and easy walk between the two, but we decided it was just too far to go.) Instead we spent more time around Broadway and Chipping Campden, and some of the group walked back to Chipping Campden from Broadway Tower. We also were able to take our groups to Giffords Circus this year... just wonderful! (Pauline and Steve introduced us to Giffords last year.) I'd definitely check the schedule next year to see if it's nearby during the time you're in the Cotswolds.

Chipping Campden is a great place to see the thatched houses. (There is an area of beautiful homes just before you enter the village from the A44.) About a mile away is the much smaller village of Broad Campden, which also has several thatched cottages.

In all the time I've spent the Cotswolds, I've never been to Warwick Castle. I think it's about 45 minutes north of Chipping Campden, past Stratford. We enjoy Sudeley Castle and Blenheim Palace, both with beautiful gardens/grounds and very different from each other.

The gardens are wonderful and there are many of them in the Cotswolds. You could visit both Kiftsgate and Hidcote at the same time, since they're neighbors. Kiftsgate is much smaller and doesn't have as many visitors. In the southern Cotswolds we enjoyed Abbey Court Gardens.

If you're there at the right time of year, I'd definitely drive by the Snowshill Lavendar farm. And it's been a long time since I've been there, but many people enjoy Snowshill Manor.

We like Stow-in-the-Wold, but it's very busy and gets a lot of tourists (and traffic). I'd go in the late afternoon or for dinner. Same thing for Bourton-in-the-Water.

If you end up staying near Chipping Campden, I highly recommend you go on one of their "town walks" with a voluntary warden. They offer these one or two times a week... you could get info at the Tourist Office. It's a great way to learn more about this interesting village. (This is the only village I know that offers a walk like this... they just ask for a small donation.)

Sheep... you'll see lots of sheep. (Watch your step, as you can actually walk through the fields of sheep on many of the footpaths.) The area is very very rural and the fields of crops are beautiful. I haven't seen many orchards... there's a well-known apple farm (Hayles Fruit Farm) just up the road from Hailes Abbey.

The tourist offices are great resources. Wherever you end up staying, I'd stop in at the closest tourist office the day you arrive. These are good places to get maps of nearby walking routes as well.

You might get some ideas from my blog of our week in the Cotswolds in 2004 (Blockley). We didn't have anything planned before we arrived and just let that week evolve. Some of our best moments were spontaneous.

Enjoy your planning!
 
... I want to experience such an intense version of what my dream Cotswold world looks like: thatched roofs and timbers, but also hilly, rocky green hills filled with sheep, or fruits. I want to see the Cotswolds in which a Hobbit might feel very much at home. I want the fairy tale! ...

Kathy, that was a great question to ask Barb and I have been thinking about her answer all day.

Barb, I think you should stay either in Winchcombe (in the North Cotswolds) or near Stroud/Painswick (in the South Cotswolds). And here is why.

The north Cotswolds is posh - really posh. It is like Tuscany. Perfect towns, perfectly restored houses, perfect thatch. The south-east Cotswolds, east of Cirencester, is the same.

The south-west Cotswolds is not as posh. It is still a good area, but it is not as perfect. It is like Umbria - a bit more "regular people". Hobbits would live in the south-west or in Winchcombe. Winchcombe is in the north Cotswolds, but is more of a regular town. We spent a month there in 2004 and loved it.

If you had said you wanted to see perfect English gardens and quaint villages, I would not be saying this. It was your Hobbit comment that got me thinking.

If you stayed near Stroud/Painswick, you would be close to us and that would be fun.

And, this goes against what I said above, but I think you should stay in one of the Well Farm cottages. The people who run the place are lovely. She is American, he is a Brit. Their house is 17th century and fabulous. I thought the cottages were modern, but I looked it up on their site and they are converted farm buildings. We spent a month in Plough in 2000 and were planning to return for a few weeks in 2007 but had to cancel because of the flooding in the Cotswolds that summer (water was turned off). You can walk from there to the pub in Slad in 20mins I think. And to Painswick along lanes in 30 mins. They are on a lane with other houses, but there are no shops or pubs on the lane.

The only downside to Plough is that it is a double bed, not a queen/king. And the bedroom is upstairs, bathroom downstairs. The first two photos on my England Vacation Rentals slideshow are of Plough. Also, their prices are good, they have lovely views and nice outside areas. They are in the Painswick Valley and the next valley over is the Slad Valley.

If Well Farm does not appeal to you, then Character Cottages has two cottages in Painswick I think. They are on Vicarage Street which is really cute. They are on three levels, so lots of stairs. And I saw those horrible air freshener sticks in them - yuck - but many places here use air fresheners to cover musty smells.

Okay, there, I said it. Please ignore me if you want - I really mean that. I know how hard it is to plan a trip like this.
 
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Kathy, You hit the nail on the head in every respect! I think we're on the same page as far as what we'd like to see and do, and we're aware of short distances/longer drive times after living in Umbria! That's something important for people to remember when travelling!

Pauline, I appreciate your input more than you can ever know! The thoughtful process and analysis was extremely helpful. You're right - planning a vacation like this IS hard, especially when it's your first time in an area! The 2nd or 3rd time to a place improves exponentially! And when you're as demanding as I am, I really want to get every detail right - and knowing full well that something WILL go wrong/get screwed up, I just hope and pray that all my research pays off so that I'm prepared with Plan B, or C!

I still like your original idea of staying IN a market town, but remain open to other ideas. I'm also now questioning my decision to stay only one week. The exchange rate already has me questioning the additional costs for the narrowboat, but even if I decide we can afford the extra time, now I'm thinking a second week in the Cotswolds might be better than the narrowboat. See, this really IS hard!
 

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