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UK Referendum for EU Membership

Pauline

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Thursday is the day we vote whether to remain or leave the EU. It has been a bitter campaign culminating in the murder of a Yorkshire Labour MP by someone shouting "leave" slogans. They suspended campaigning for two days because of this but are now back at it.

BBC News - Jo Cox MP to be remembered at Birstall church services
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36569937

Here is my postal ballot.

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I've been following this issue pretty closely. The murder of Jo Cox was horrible. She was a rare politician that truly cared about people instead of underlying agendas. I am especially saddened for her family.

Pauline, I am surprised you will be able to vote. Thanks for sharing what the ballot looks like.

Roz, thanks for posting the link to the NY Times article. There certainly will be a huge domino affect if the vote is to leave the European Union.
 
Pauline, I am surprised you will be able to vote. Thanks for sharing what the ballot looks like.

I am a UK citizen now! My mother was born here so I was able to claim citizenship. Steve is too! But, Irish citizens living here can vote too.

Tomorrow is the vote. I feel nervous about it. Hoping for IN.
 
I am a UK citizen now! My mother was born here so I was able to claim citizenship. Steve is too! But, Irish citizens living here can vote too.

Tomorrow is the vote. I feel nervous about it. Hoping for IN.

Congrats on your UK citizenship! Didn't know that. I probably would vote IN also. Too many unknowns with leaving. Will be watching the vote results.
 
This is shocking! Although I have been following the Brexit issue, I guess I just did not understand many of the implications of a vote to leave would create. I am pretty speechless as I watch the news this morning. I wonder if the people of the UK really understood what would happen and if many that voted to leave now regret their vote.
 
I hadn't been following that closely because I really expected the vote to be to stay in the EU. It's really shocking. I read that Scotland is thinking about another independence vote to give them the option of staying in the EU.
 
I think many people vote in elections without knowing what they are voting for. I was not shocked though ,seeing what has been happening in North America- Canada went for change---huge debt to follow;also, Trump & Sanders' support in the USA. I can see Scotland's point of view---it was only a couple of years ago they voted to stay in. I was reading an article about how travel will be affected- higher fares, new air agreements from Europe to Uk , jobs in travel industry, etc.
 
I have been worried about this for weeks and, as it turns out, I was right to worry. I don't know what to think.

The pound has already fallen against the US dollar in anticipation of this. We recently purchased a house and moved our house money over from the US when the pound was between $1.40 and $1.45. Today it is at $1.36. Our original plan was to wait until after the referendum to purchase, in case the country voted to leave, but we didn't and now I wish we had. Steve is much calmer about all this than me and says we got a good rate, considering it was over $1.60 just last year and that it is impossible to catch these things exactly. And we love our house and will be in it for 10 years probably.

Also worried about the US stock market, of course.

Cameron, the prime minister, has announced he will step down in October when they will have a party conference to replace him. The news says it will probably be Boris Johnson, former mayor of London, who will be the new leader but Teresa May, the current Home secretary, has also been mentioned. Many think this was Johnson's plan all along and he has been setting himself up to be the next Conservative leader.

The media has mentioned that a general election may be called even though they recently passed legislation changing how we vote here - elections are now held every 5 years instead of being called when the party in power decides (any time before 5 years).

Some people in the Labour party are using this as an excuse to try to get rid of Corbyn, their leader, because many think he is too left-wing. He was also supporting IN.

Nicola Sturgeon, head of the SNP, has said Scotland will have another referendum for leaving the UK. This makes sense since the UK is leaving the EU, but I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK.

It seems like nothing will happen fast. I don't like the turmoil, especially in the stock market, but daily life will be less expensive for us because of the drop in the pound. The Euro has dropped too against the US dollar. I think the Swiss Franc has risen and our next vacation is in Switzerland.

We went for a hike in the pouring rain this morning, to calm me down, and on the trails we talked with two women. One was a beef farmer from Wiltshire. Both voted REMAIN but the farmer's husband voted LEAVE. She said there is a huge amount of paperwork because of EU regulations for farmers, but there are also subsidies. She said they moved from dairy to beef because you can't make money in dairy. Their local dairy brings in milk from France!

I can understand why people voted LEAVE. I don't think they are only concerned with immigration, but that is a big concern on a small and very crowded island. The UK never went on the Euro so it has always stood a bit outside the EU. But I don't think we should have had a referendum on this.
 
I understand your position Pauline. With so much uncertainty in the world it can be scary. The uncertainty is here in North America, as well as, Europe. Early this morning I kept hearing that other EU countries like France, & Holland may consider leaving too. No where is safe.
I'm trying to think long term in regards to investments; and owning property is one of the best investments anyone can have. Steve sounds like he is a solid rock, staying calm with a great perspective. You are both very fortunate to be able to work anywhere in the world.
Ummm---so politics is allowed.
 
Thanks for sharing the local perspective, Pauline. I have been following this issue closely and waited up night before last as long as I could, watching BBC on my computer. When I awoke yesterday morning, the first thing I did was pull up the New York Times. Ugh. Leave. I was so sorry to see the result of the vote.
Watching Donald Trump's news conference in Scotland was disheartening. We have far too many Americans who will vote for him despite the fact that he is so ill-prepared to lead the US.
 
But I don't think we should have had a referendum on this.
I saw an article somewhere comparing the complicated procedure for amending the US constitution (among other things, at least a 2/3 vote) to the EU referendum. The author said that in such a far-reaching change as leaving the EU the requirements should not be just a simple majority in a popular vote. And apparently there is now a big movement for a do-over: Web Petition for 2nd EU referendum. I think the point in that article that it should have required at least a 60% vote was a good one.

Pauline, do you know what the procedure was when Britain joined the EU? Was that also a referendum, or was it just implemented by the government?

Apparently the referendum isn't even legally binding under British law, but politically I don't think it could be voided.
Britain doesn't actually have to abide by the results of the EU referendum.
 
I lived in Europe when the U.K. was joining the EEC (predecessor community to the EU). This BBC history gives the basics. Membership, under government negotiation, started in 1973, after Charles de Gaulle in France, who opposed U.K. membership, was no longer around. Membership was confirmed in a referendum in 1975, with 67% support.
 
Power in the wrong hands. Prime Minster had a choice on this and gambled on the results which has shocked many.
I can see mass confusion now with everyone trying to figure out how to proceed. Other countries are watching to see how this vote will affect them.
 
Thanks for the link to the BBC article, Andrew -- that was a very well-written and very interesting summary. I knew of course that Churchill and De Gaulle were not exactly great buddies, but I hadn't realized it was to the point where it was De Gaulle who kept Britain out of the EEC until he was out of office.
 

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