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"The next trend in travel is : don't"

And Air B&B makes me miss the good old B&B/Pension experiences. The one we stayed in Helsinki made me swear never again—never saw the owner, and did not know it was on the 5th floor with no elevator, and when we found no towels, they could not get us any till the cleaner came the next day! But then we stayed in one in a rural ares that was a self contained unit next to the owners and she welcomes us with a fresh berry pie and cream etc.

We stayed in our first AirBnbs recently in Brittany. I have used the site for the last several trips, but I search to find the same places on Booking.com (which has better booking terms - you don't have to pay as far ahead) or on their own sites. The places I booked were for a week each and were similar to places I would found on HomeAway previously.

But, people are using AirBnb instead of hotels. Two friends of mine recently booked Airbnbs for 2 nights! I would not want to prepay and go through all the checkin trouble for such a short stay. I can understand an AirBnb for 2 nights if you have a room in someone's house/apt, but to rent a whole apartment for such a short stay seems odd.

Sometimes I feel like I just don't understand travel anymore. Why is it so different now than it was 20 years ago?
 
We've not used Airbnb, though we've rented apartments often for the past 20 years, and almost without exception for the last decade. Some have been within an Agriturismo setup, some purpose built aparthotels, others via (typically) local letting agencies, but 2-3 times through larger aggregator sites.

So clearly I'm not against the concept, and for the slow traveler it allows a better way to embed in the local culture, shopping locally (I most certainly do my bit to support local specialist food shops!), using a local bar, etc. Hotels feel a very outdated and artificial (and cramped) concept to me, and we're starting to see a number re-purposed.

The only problem I have with Airbnb, and I have a similar problem with Uber and other 'disruptors', is where they appear to circumvent legislation, protection and taxation. That I struggle with.
 
I've been looking for apartments on agriturismi in Italy where possible as it's a way for a family to hold on to a farm when farming alone isn't economically sustainable. Obviously this isn't an option in cities.

I have several problems with the AirB&B concept. First is what the explosion of tourist rentals does to the local market. Beyond that, and more selfishly, it has taken short term rentals from a professional operation to amateur hour. Daily rentals lead to places being "rode hard" as the saying goes, with a lot less care from both the renters and the landlord. Pride of place is being replaced with expedience and purely economic concerns. There's nothing wrong with people leveraging their assets to make money but if there's no care beyond just the money, well I don't want to be there.
 
We very often stay at Agriturismi when in Italy and have had good luck. My favorite. I have used an Air B&B once in Rome, once in Ireland and the States with good results in terms of location and accommodations. In Rome, though the place was great, the neighbors were angry and rude to us. The apartment was in a building of apartments, residents who were sick and tired of hearing luggage dragged up three flights. We're quiet, but I bet some AirB&Ber's are not. Tough to have your apartment building change to a virtual hotel status.
One bad experience in Quebec City where the owner didn't show up as scheduled, nor would he return our phone calls despite the arrangements being made and paid for well in advance, and correspondence days ahead of the reservation. The AirB&B company itself was virtually useless, and it was tough given that my daughter had her 5 month old with us! We had to find our own place after hours of talking and haggling. So, not too positive about AirB&B right now.
 
From our experience with AirBnB, actually it's the non-shared studio apts. that impress us - those that are apparently some sort of real estate investment on the part of the owners, who are looking to maximize their profit (not necessarily at the expense of the quality of the service). Our experience with receiving an apt. that is usually resided in by the owner during the week or at other times, is satisfactory or below.

Until we started using AirBnB in the cities, we'd stay at 3-star hotels. These were also a mixed bunch with respect to convenience, cleanliness and service. So I think that there are no definite ways to characterize a stay in a "proper" hotel vs. an AirBnB apt. We've had stays in hotels with drainage problems in the shower, ill-aired rooms, etc., but also stays that were very nice. Which only goes to show that it all depends on if the operators/owners take their job seriously or not.

We, too, only use this type of rental while in cities. In the countryside we only stay at agriturismi, and have had only great experiences with these.

A strong voice by locals against tourists or the reality created by over-tourism, will certainly persuade me not to visit that destination. The question is : are you going to hear it while in the planning stage, and before you arrive?
 
The Helsinki place was the first one I saw both at Air B&B and Bookings.com and did end up using bookings.com and was somewhat surprised that I had to pay in advance even on Bookings.com. As it turned out the person(s) listing seemed to be an agent managing a couple of places--from now on that will raise a flag for me. Have used Air B&B in Paris, India, Australia and several times in US and they had mostly been pleasant experiences. We too find that renting the whole apartment for a week are usually better experiences than a shared room for a night in the case of Air B&B. We have used shared rooms in Air B&Bs very sparingly (usually because close to an airport and or an offer to pick us up from a late flight in a small rural airport etc). These one night stays in Air B&Bs is not the great experiences we have had in the past when we used to stay a night at B&Bs, Pensions, Gites outside the cities on our rural excursions in Europe--the cleanliness in the one night shared Air B&Bs have been a hit or miss and more misses--I am ok with shared economy but would like basic cleanliness. Air B&B is supposed to work on communal vigilance aka reviews but I think cleanliness is subjective and we have arrived at a shared room that had great reviews and raised our eyebrows and sighed 'just one night'

One of the reasons travel is so different now compared to 20 years ago is I think the growing number of people who can now afford to travel. I myself could not afford to travel till I was in my thirties and then only because we became a part of the economic high tech diaspora. I am glad that more people can afford to travel now on account of the burgeoning upper middle class with expendable income in several developing countries. Many of them however, for various reasons including language, food, new culture concerns prefer to travel in groups and hence the larger and larger tour groups and cruise ships I guess. In Turkey some tour operators seemed to feel that their tour groups should have priority over us individual travelers and did not hesitate to let us know their sentiments when visiting popular tourist sights. I still believe travel in its original form as a wanderer really opens minds and must hope that even the in the large cruise ship/tour group mode of travel there is some measure of opening ones mind. After so many years of travel, I learnt so much from our first venture into rural parts of the former Soviet Union. I think we will continue to travel but be more selective about where we go and where we stay etc. I no longer feel the need to see every place on the tourist trail and am content to leave that for the growing groups. And yes, selfie sticks should be banned, maybe selfies even esp in front of monuments and in museums! We did signs outside some churches in Finland that tour leaders had to give their microphone speeches outside and not inside the church
 
I agree with comments from Shannon, Ellen and Ian about the model changing and problems contributed by AirBnB, among other issues. We as Slow Travelers have all been using vacation rentals for years and the effects weren't negative back in the day; but as pointed out, we rented for several days to a week or more, they were a longer-stay alternative to hotels, which also have their place. Having spent many many years in the tourism industry, I see lots of changes and negative impacts of these unsustainable models.

I have been a slow traveler and vacation villa user for many years, but I don't (and won't) use AirB&B; it went from being a "couch surfing" type of thing to a major deal-breaker for communities in many ways.

1) As someone pointed out, there are investors now buying up apartments solely to rent them on a grand scale through this platform, raising prices for locals in both the purchase and rental markets; locals forced out of their own cities bleeds out the lifeblood of the place;

2) Many rentals aren't "legit" in terms of registering and paying taxes, putting those who play by the rules at a disadvantage (Giulia, Letizia and others who rent holiday apartments as examples); (I read recently that Venice is one city that is starting to crack down on this, looking at the listings and knocking on doors and tracking down owners);

3) short stays in this type of structure (1-3 nights) has an effect on the hotels/B&Bs and thereby the local economy, as hotels and B&Bs employ people whose jobs get put at risk;

4) local agencies who broker legimitate rental properties also proviode customer service, guarantees and assurances, will resolve problems, inspect the properties to ensure they exist and are as represented, and of course they also employ people to provide customer service and administrative support;

5) AirB&B provides no actual customer service and is a listing site that "double dips", taking commission from the owners AND from the travelers (in exchange for what?);

6) what used to be an alternative has exploded, and now entire buildings in the some cities have turned over to short-term rentals, forcing out residents who give the city its character and charm, stripping out that local flavor and appeal (I know a person in Rome who moved out the historic center because every apartment in her building became a rental and the constant flow of noisy tourists who were disrespectful of residents with noise, trash and leaving the street door open had her fed up). Cities devoid of their own residents become touristy shells and much less appealing.

As for mass tourism, it's the absolute worst thing a place can have. Meaning, tour busses and tons of cruise ships, and tons of day-trippers. It is not sustainable; this type of tourism brings only crowds that overtax a community without contributing to the local economy; they arrive, disgorge, look around, maybe buy a gelato and leave. Huge crowds tramp around, follow their guide, get back on their bus - very little money is left behind to deal with the mess they make on the instrastructure, and they don't pay the so-called "tourist tax" that those who do overnight stays must pay (which is also a bit erroneous, taxing those who are staying longer and spending money in places that provide employment rather than levying higher fees on the fly-overs, but...that's another discussion). Cruises could be limited; busses can also be limited and should be paying fees for each load, etc. to relieve some of the massive crowding.

But it also falls on each of us to choose how/where/to whom we spend our travel dollars and do so as responsibly as possible to benefit the communities rather than further stress the infrastructures of a place. As at least a small part of the solution. :)
 
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Very eloquent indeed Valerie.

All I can add, is that I also dislike those noisy, littering and culturally ignorant mass tourism tourists (not all mass tourism tourists are like that, but the %'s fitting that description grow in mass tourism destinations and methods of transit). Our holidays almost always avoid the tourist hot-spots and we're happier in ourselves by doing so.
 
Cruises could be limited; busses can also be limited and should be paying fees for each load, etc. to relieve some of the massive crowding.

Yes, that is what needs to be done. Higher docking fees to make cruises more expensive and to reflect the actual cost to the community. Fees for bus tours and all kinds of group tours.

As you point out, everything has changed with vacation rentals from the old SlowTrav days when we rented apartments on farms by the week.
 
I greatly agree with much of what has been written, but - and this is a big but - is the alternative to go back to the days of travel is only for the rich?

I was a late starter - the first travel for leisure I did was a long weekend to Florence when I was 35, and it was another 5 years before I became a regular tourist. It was the combination of the budget airlines and being able to rent apartments that have allowed this. If I were forced to use conventional airlines, and stay in normal hotels, I simply would not be able to afford it.

I consider myself a slow traveller. I love staying in one place as a base for a week or more. In general, my flights and lodging make up less than half my holiday budget - the rest being spent on locally - transport, museums, food drink etc. I do have a tendancy to "look down" on mass tourism - but what makes me any more "deserving" of the joy of travel than somebosy who just wants their picture taken holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa, or in front of the Colosseum?
 
Hi Tim
I've resigned myself to avoiding those places where high volumes of tourists are welcomed. It's struck me that in allowing it to get to that stage, the local authorities are happy with it, the tourists are happy that they see the famous 'must-see' sites. In Amsterdam's case, there is much that has developed away from the centre, such that locals (and a small sub-section of tourists) can enjoy relative normality away from the gaudier elements of the centre. I suspect a few famous cities are like this, where parts become a kind of theme park, leaving other parts of the city more normal (Pisa is another stark example of this).

For me I'm not asking for tourists to be priced out of the famous places. I'm just choosing not to go there. However if a city wishes to impose taxation to curb numbers, then that is their call. I support Cinque Terre taxation of the paths, though it seems to have had little effect on numbers. Each must make their own call on whether mass tourism is good or bad for them.

Indeed it's a problem I'm quite happy avoiding, and arguably spreading the numbers wider could have a negative influence on my experience, in the way that Rick Steves' guide has resulted in mass tourism hitting previously less impacted locations. If it happens, then it happens.

Regards
Ian
 
I too did not start traveling internationally until I was 36. Travel has become cheaper due to low cost airlines and competition among the major carriers as well as sites like Booking.com and AirB&B. While I have not used AirB&B I have been curious to try them out. However, I don't want to contribute to the negative impact AirB&B has had. Booking.com has been great for me. I have found some wonderful hotels and apartments. If I'm not staying for more than 3 nights in any one place, I opt for a hotel over an apartment.

I now choose carefully where I go to avoid the hoards of tourists. My once beloved Rome isn't beloved anymore. I have noticed a big change in the last 15 years, namely the historic center. I have avoided Venice for years because of the overload of tourists.
 
Not counting Canada, I didn't start traveling internationally until I was in my 50s -- just couldn't afford it when raising kids and getting them through college. We did take a lot of family trips, many in our VW camper, but our first trip to Europe was in the 1990s.

Now I feel so fortunate that I think we hit sort of a sweet spot in those years. The Internet was in its infancy, and it was getting easier to find and book places, but the massive cruises and tour groups hadn't yet descended. We managed to visit the big tourist attractions in Italy and France (our favorite countries) off-season and almost never encountered crowds. Now we don't feel we need to go back to those overcrowded tourist hotspots, since there are places we love to visit that fortunately have mostly escaped the mob scenes.

I feel sad that slow travel, as we came to know and love it through Pauline's website, is getting harder and harder, especially for people just starting out. I guess that's one reason so many people take those cruises and group tours -- they just make it easy to go to the popular places, although as we know, they miss out on so much that way.
 
I don't agree that travel used to be only for the rich, lots of my peers traveled throughout the world on a shoestring back in the day. They didn't expect to stay in great places or eat gourmet food, they understood that travel when you didn't have much money meant giving up some comforts.

I think we've created an unrealistic expectation of what is "affordable" and a strong sense of entitlement that isn't good for anyone.

New York is finally starting to crack down on short term rentals like Air B&B: https://nyti.ms/2LtRDJG
 
I don't agree that travel used to be only for the rich, lots of my peers traveled throughout the world on a shoestring back in the day. They didn't expect to stay in great places or eat gourmet food, they understood that travel when you didn't have much money meant giving up some comforts.

I think we've created an unrealistic expectation of what is "affordable" and a strong sense of entitlement that isn't good for anyone.
True, when I was a student in the 1970s, a combination of hitchhiking and cheap rail travel enabled British students to travel around Europe relatively easily, without spending much money. And by the end of the 1970s it wasn't at all unusual for not particularly well off families to take holidays abroad (in Spain or France for example).
 
We are traveling for a month in Italy next February. I try to plan at least 5 days/nights in each location, more when possible. We are traveling with my sister-in-law, her first trip, and she prefers cruises. I don't know if she will "get" it that our goal is just to be there, to enjoy ourselves, and not hustle from place to place, etc. We are renting one apartment in Rome, NOT through airbnb, and will have family rooms, connected where possible, in other locales.

It is, after all, a vacation and shouldn't there be some relaxation component to it all?
 
Pauline, I would like to think these groups would help the economy, but they are rushed around, and never have time to shop, or even enjoy a nice lunch.
I have lived in Rome for almost seven years and even in that short time, I have seen some pretty unpleasant changes. It seems to me these are driven to a large extent by the type of tourist who comes for a day or two, stays in an awful "vacation rental" (I have seen some of these being constructed in my former neighbourhood of Monti and some of these are essentially a former car garage with a toilet. Most have to be illegal.) So as Sharon suggests, they aren't really boosting the economy. The incredibly large number of mini-markets springing up to sell beer and potato chips suggests that that's where those sort of tourist dollars are spent.

Apologies for that rant! On the positive side, there are so many really gorgeous sites to see in Rome that are not swamped with gigantic tour groups. With just a little research, a visitor can see amazing art, historic architecture, find much better food and markets than found in the historic centre. I realize that I am not saying anything new -- and fellow SlowTravelers know how to get off Rome's beaten path.

Same in Tuscany. Siena is spectacular but not when it is clogged by tour groups. Yet there are so many other really beautiful hill-towns to explore in Tuscany if a traveler looks beyond the most popular spots. I have a friend in Manciano, a pretty Tuscan hill-town so close to other great towns, and I love to borrow her holiday home there. Or, in the region of Lazio where Rome is located, visitors can find pretty hill-towns not far outside Rome. And of course, my beloved Umbria is spectacular.

I'm veering of topic. I just wanted to say please don't give up on Rome. It can be an absolute inferno around a few of the main tourist sites. But with just a little imagination and research, a visitor can avoid those spots and find other new sides to Rome that are well worth a bit of effort.

Cheers,
Sandra
 
I hate to read this about Rome! We haven’t been since 2004 and I’ve been thinking about a return trip. Maybe in the winter.

I did not realise that Tuscany was being hit with crowds like this. This is not good for anyone - locals, people running tourist businesses, travelers.

Please don't give up, Pauline! Come stay in my Rome neighbourhood of Testaccio -- still very Roman and not yet overrun by tour groups. The Metro remains hell on wheels (and I mean that literally) but if you can stand a few minutes of that insanity, you can get anywhere from here.
Cheers,
Sandra
 
Another angle on efforts being made by locals to curb the negative effects of over-tourism - I stumbled upon this while looking for accommodations in Bologna.

This is trying to make tourists appreciate local businesses, artists, and artisans, by establishing a network of locals that work together. The platform also offers a choice of (at present) five apts. in the city. It's described in the article as " a cross between Airbnb ... and a digital concierge which promises to show you the real Bologna beyond ragù and tortellini".

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/bologna-guide-a3792176.html

The platform is called "Taldeg" : https://taldeg.com/en/

Worth a read imo, although the concept might seem a bit pretentious to travelers like us, who sort of do this anyway...
 

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